I suspect they hate him precisely for this reason, nonny.
maybe JJ Abrams did do something right with his characterization of Uhura by placing her in the triumvirate, but that’s not why we say he’s the worst.
JJ Abrams is the worst because he took one of our culture’s most optimistic and idealistic stories about the nature of existence and turned it into your average dark and gritty summer blockbuster. He destroyed Vulcan because he could. For dramatic effect.
He created this entire alternate timeline so anything could happen, and then remade Wrath of Khan. Whitewashed a role that Gene Roddenberry had to fight the network in order to give to an actor of color. Gave a female character Carol Marcus’ name, and only her name, as a “nod” to the original canon with no explanation as to why she’s suddenly a weapons technician and not a biologist.
He took away the uniforms’ representation of female character’s rank. He betrayed a female character’s privacy by showing her near-naked from the perspective of a male character, who was told not to look.
The same male character that is portrayed as a womanizing, boob-grabbing asshole, who drove Christine Chapel to seek reassignment. That is not Gene Roddenberry’s James T. Kirk.
JJ Abrams took Star Trek and watered it down, made it a novelty. Gave us a couple of throw-away references to Admiral Archer or to a tribble and expected that to make up for the slap in the face he gave to Roddenberry.
Uhura did have a bigger role in the reboot, but that’s not why we hate what JJ did.
The first director to expand upon her skills, actually give her a first name,
BULL FUCKING SHIT. JJ did NOT give her that name, yes he may have been the first to use it on SCREEN but he did not give her that name.
Nyota was the most common used first name for her and was given to her by William Rotsler when he wrote Star Trek II Biographies in 1982 and received approval from Gene Rodenberry and Nichelle Nichols themselves.
don’t thinking for a fucking second that JJ Abrams gave Uhura her first name cos if it had been up to him, she wouldn’t have a first name at all.
On the note of that fantastically “bigger role” it also utterly destroyed the character of Uhura, which seems to be in habit of JJ. Kirk is a molester, Spock is pissed off all the time, Bones is a saying machine, Chekov’s stupid and Scotty is angry and his loyalty is as brittle as a wicker chair under the ass of an elephant.
But let’s just talk about Uhura for a moment: remember her? She was a motherly sisterly character. And no not because she was just a woman in the sixties. Christine is motherly too, but Janice is not and there are plenty of female characters that are not all maternal so nip that in the bud—but Uhura was. She cared about people, she found awe in things she was gently, even to things she didn’t understand like tribbles. She was happy for other people’s success (when she joyfully embraces Christine when they find “Rodger”), she was wistful and a dreamer (asking Spock to describe the moon on Vulcan trying to create conversation with her crew members), she loved music and loved to tease (singing that song about Spock in the break room to make her friends and he smile). She was honest and hard working and got frustrated when she felt she couldn’t do it (trying to fix the console, trying to get her equipment to work in numerous episode you see her involved in her work and even in an engineer’s smock on the floor to fix it)
But when she had to be, she was pretty bad ass. I’m sorry are we all just forgetting that Mirror Mirror actually did happen? Because it it did where the entire plan of them escaping certain death hinged on Uhura being able to tease and outsmart Mirror!Sulu, and even drawing a knife on him in self defense? Watch that episode, because you see in her face she’d drive it straight into his heart and not blink twice if he tried anything. Even when she was slighted by Trelane, she didn’t scream, she didn’t insult him back she didn’t sink to his level. She gave him the best glare mustered by a human being and kept calm because she was a Starfleet officer and she has pride in her composure and her character
She’s well rounded, she’s beautiful inside and out and she was amazing. So you say JJ, basically, gave her a better spot in the new universe than she had in the old (old, whatever it’s the real universe).
So let’s talk about New Uhura for a moment, shall we? Let’s just take her first appearance on screen. Jim Kirk is trying to hit on her, and being a semi ass—as in line with his new bastardized version of his character. But it’s nothing too bad. He tries teasing her, asks her about what she studies. She replies, and then infers that he’s a dumb animal fucking hick simply because they’re in a country bar. So she insults him and is utterly prejudices against him because of his home, his accent and species.
The Bright Hopeful Peaceful Harmonious Future That is Star Trek: Geographically stereotyping and demeaning your intelligence you since 2009.
And that’s just the first meeting. Yes her linguistics help in the story, but the way she acts to her superior officers deserves a reprimand at least and at worst court martial. Instead of being happy for her friend/roommate she get jealous and manipulates the system by brow beating her (ugh) boyfriend Spock into getting her the position she wanted. Then when they’re in the middle of a galactic crisis she sneers at her new captain before taking her post.
Oh and you think that’s the worse? No, no no no my friend. It’s not. In the next movie she and Spock are fighting. You see Spock, who is remember, is one of the last of his species and not only that is fro one of the main houses of said species after his world got sucked out of existence. So yeah, he’s clinging to his Vulcan creed like a drowning sailor to drift wood. And you know what, that’s fine. That’s his culture and further more that is the path he chose to follow. It’s his choice for his life. Anyone in it is going to have to accept it if they want to jump on his friend boat just as anyone would have to accept aspects for their friend cultures/religions so long as they were safe.
But new Uhura? Oh no, she wants him to change because she decided it’s not good for their relationship and her emotional needs. She wants him to change his creed so that she can feel validated. She goes so far in this effort that she ostarts arguing with both her captain and first officer on an life threatening away mission so much so that they are distracted and fall directly into a trap.
And she’s still not court martial-ed. All in all every single character in the series except for Bones, Chekov and Sulu should be thrown straight from Star Fleet and never let back in again. Ever.
JJ isn’t fixing any problems. There were no problems to fix (for the most part) JJ Abrams is the problem.
And on the subjects of the new movies, if you’re not pissed about the white washing of Khan (which, you really should be it is horrible), you cannot deny that it is impossible for Khan to be white in the first place.
Why? The Eugenics Wars happened way before Kirk or his father. So that thing that spun us off into this alternate reality? It happens after Khan was defeated and farted into space. It is impossible on every level for the second movie to even occur as it is.
I don’t even know where to begin, but I do notice that for all you women out there, if you’re being harassed and pestered by a guy in bar, ALWAYS be nice. Don’t be mean to him when he’s pestering you, even after you’ve politely told him that you don’t want his name. TWICE. Be a good girl, but above all else BE NICE. You’d think that men would understand what “NO” means in the 24th century. I guess that’s acceptable that it appears that they do not.
Another thing: if you’re in an interracial/interspecies relationship, don’t talk about your emotional relationship with your partner. You’re trying to change him obviously. You shouldn’t discuss how you feel about the fact he wanted to die, instead of allowing the crew to even attempt to save him. Don’t be upset about that. Just let it go [insert Anna singing “Let It Go” from Frozen] and accept that he’s how he is and there nothing you can do about it. Of course, if your name is Kirk and you’re doing the EXACT same thing, it’s perfectly A-OK. Oh, and again, Kirk was just a much a part of that conversation as Uhura, because really if I’m about to go into a dangerous mission, I need to know that one of my crew members doesn’t have a death wish. But, you know, “whiny girlfriend”.
Oh, and don’t forget girls, when you get shafted on your promotion or placement, be happy for your friend instead and not jealous (because Uhura would be jealous like a silly woman)!! Just accept that you’ve been shafted and placed in a lower position that you didn’t deserve, based on your academic record and recognition. Don’t speak up for yourself. Don’t remind your superior officer of your qualifications and the awards that you’ve earned because that would make you a BITCH. You don’t want to be a bitch. Just accept that you were assigned to a lesser ship that, based on your academic record, you would have never been assigned in the first place. Nope, don’t lean in [http://leanin.org/] and speak up yourself. Just accept your fate that you’d die on the Farragut, and thus get out of the way of a non-canon gay ship.
But above all else, to black women specifically. We’re only as good as how “motherly” and “sisterly” we are in relation to men. It’s GREAT and not at all like the “mammy” stereotype. I guess being viewed as a sister is A-OK, but jeez, I guess if I’m viewed as a “sister”, that makes any potential for a romantic relationship with anyone (no matter their gender) impossible. It’s so great that even Lt. Uhura in TOS, a role that is presented as not relying on racist stereotypes is reduced to that by the person above me. It’s AWESOME.
The person you’re replying to is a study about gender issues and racial issues all nicely summarized in one post… But then, most of the people wanking in this fucking post are shitting on reboot Uhura. LOL you were saying? ‘people don’t have a problem with Uhura’ except when they fucking despise her
just some points to add to the eloquent commentary by acceber74 above
»”On the note of that fantastically “bigger role” it also utterly destroyed the character of Uhura”
original Uhura doesn’t think so:
“While they were shooting, J.J. Abrams invited me to lunch and invited me to come to the set. I was so excited. The surprise he had going was that the young woman playing Uhura [Zoe Saldana] didn’t know I was coming. She just gasped.
As J.J. had planned it, she didn’t have to shoot, so we sat for two hours and talked, and it was as though I had known her all her life. I was so honored. I thought I was seeing myself — I knew I was in good hands. She just picked my brain.
When I see her come on, that’s me and I’m living it. A little ways into the movie, I realized she had taken to heart what I said and became more reserved and tighter. I’m so proud of her. She took a role that was established and gave it life.
Now I know who I was before I got on that ship for that first mission. It’s so exciting for me and rewarding. J.J. and she did me honor.” —— Nichelle Nichols for the Iowa Gazette
as for your nice ‘there was nothing to fix in tos, tos Uhura was so well developed’ well, go tell it to Nichelle Nichols who complained about how her Uhura wasn’t developed:
“Nichelle Nichols had decided leave the original Star Trek series after the first season. Fed up with racist harassment and limitation, culminating with her learning that studio executives were withholding her fan mail, she submitted her resignation. She withdrew it when Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. convinced her that her role was too important a cultural breakthrough to leave.” —— Nichelle Nichols page memory alpha
“I’d get the first draft, the white pages, and see what Uhura had to do this week, and maybe it was a halfway-decent scene or two, sometimes more, and then invariably the next draft would come in on blue pages and I’d find that Uhura’s presence in the show had been cut way down. The pink pages came next and she’d suffer some more cuts, then the yellow, more cuts, and it finally got to the point where I had really had it. I mean, I just decided that I don’t even need to read the FUCKING SCRIPT! I mean I know how to say, ‘hailing frequencies open.’” —— Nichelle Nichols, Star Trek Memories
"Looking back, Nichols would have welcomed the opportunity to expand her character beyond the limitations of a supporting role:
"You must understand that I’m an actor, not a communications officer, and as such, I would have treasured the opportunity to act, to have been a character developed and have experiences other than keeping the communications open.”
"When asked if she was disappointed with the depth of characterization required by the script, Nichols commented, “Yes, quite frankly, I was. I had hoped that not only Uhura, but the others would have an opportunity along with the viewers, to see where they had gone and why they came back.”
—— “Nichelle Nichols Opens All Hailing Frequencies” by Karen E. Wilson in Issue 36 of Starlog Magazine.
"no matter how many qualities she has instilled in Uhura, Nichelle feels that in the movies her character has not been developed to its fullest potential the way it has been in fan fiction. - ‘I think Uhura is a very independent woman but a relationship for her would be a very exciting aspect to delve into. There is a great potential to develop Uhura because she has many interesting qualities.’ …. ”
—— from issue #51 of Star Trek: The Official Fan Club Magazine
I guess for people like you she was just playing the victim and being melodramatic when she decided to leave the show because of the racism she had to endure on set and because she felt humiliated as an actress because her lines kept getting cut and she wasn’t allowed to do her job the way she expected as an actress. I also guess that for people like you in this post she also is a JJ stan who is discrediting TosUhura. How dare she.
some of your other oh so enlightening points about nuUhura:
»”So let’s talk about New Uhura for a moment, shall we? Let’s just take her first appearance on screen. Jim Kirk is trying to hit on her, and being a semi ass—as in line with his new bastardized version of his character. But it’s nothing too bad. He tries teasing her, asks her about what she studies. She replies, and then infers that he’s a dumb animal fucking hick simply because they’re in a country bar. So she insults him and is utterly prejudices against him because of his home, his accent and species.”
I didn’t know that people from Iowa were a different species. I thought they were both humans.
I find it interesting that you’re essentially claiming that Uhura was being racist with Kirk and you’re implying they aren’t even the same species and thus she was being offensive and prejudiced towards his. That’s quite bizarre but, in a way, this comment alone is pretty symbolic.
I guess every woman who is annoyed by someone hitting on her in a bar and getting in her personal space even though she had politely said ‘no’ — is a stupid racist bitch if she makes a witty joke about him.
»”Instead of being happy for her friend/roommate she get jealous and manipulates the system by brow beating her (ugh) boyfriend Spock into getting her the position she wanted. “
Jealous? Gaila wasn’t even assigned to the Enterprise. The poor girl is probably dead.
Also Uhura rightfully complained to her superior officer who had assigned her to a different ship than the one she was supposed to be on, in the first place. And that for no other reason than him being emotional towards his girlfriend by overcompensating in attempt to ‘avoid the appearance of favoritism’. He didn’t even try to deny her facts because he knew he was the one wrong. She never mentioned being his girlfriend as a reason why she should be on the enterprise.
»”Then when they’re in the middle of a galactic crisis she sneers at her new captain before taking her post.”
You mean Uhura DARED to question if a cadet — that had been disrespectful and insubordinate to his superior officers and went against every rule since the first moment he got on that ship (where he wasn’t even supposed to be on, to begin with, and he only got aboard the ship thank to his friend abusing his position as a medical officer to sneak him aboard and infecting him with a virus in the process — I guess McCoy too should get ‘ court martial-ed’ then lol) — knew what he was doing after he had essentially insulted and provoked the acting captain — taking advantage of his grief for the loss of his mother and home planet — for the sole purpose of making him snap and resign and thus become the captain in his place. How dare Uhura ask this cadet-captain if he knew that he was doing.
btw, want to talk about people who are “offensive against people because of their home and species” or ‘someone who wants to change Spock to (— how it was? — ) change his creed because it's not good for their relationship and his emotional needs’ ?
Kirk towards Spock in both movies (with bonus points for his ACTUAL derogatory references to him being a vulcan and him arguing with the dude in front of their superior officer)
I won’t even bother replying to the rest of your misogynistic ‘my mission is to paint Uhura as the evil bitch’ crap.